William Lane Craig vs. I liked both of their opening statements. They express their positions quite well. It took place at the Willow Creek Church in Thanks to Atheism Sucks for noticing this debate, which was posted on You Tube yesterday.
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My expertise is in articulating the civil rights concerns of the atheist community. Frank Zindler is a scholar. His expertise is in articulating the concepts of atheism and the circumstances surrounding the development of your Bible. Frank will make a presentation on how the evidence reflects upon atheism vs. Your Bible is the testimony of a number of people in support of the proposition that there is a God.
Christians accept the credibility of that testimony. Atheists reject the credibility of that testimony. Frank is a former professor of geology and biology and for the last ten years has worked as a linguist and editor for a scientific publisher in Columbus, Ohio. An atheist spokesman like me, Frank has appeared on over radio talk shows to defend atheism and on almost as many national TV shows as I have.
I wish to thank Willow Creek Community Church and Moody Bible Radio Network for providing this opportunity to debunk the mythology, which is your Bible, and demonstrate that atheism is the philosophy that makes sense.
Here to make the presentation on behalf of atheism is my friend from Columbus, Ohio, Frank Zindler. Although he is a native of Illinois, Dr. William Lane Craig has lived for the last seven years with his wife and two children in Belgium where he is a visiting scholar at the University of Louvain. Craig earned the Doctorate of Philosophy at the University of Birmingham, England under the direction of the eminent philosopher, John Hick. During this time he received a fellowship from the German government for two years to study the historicity of the resurrection of Jesus.
Craig has published a dozen books and numerous articles on both the scholarly and popular level including these titles: The Cosmological Argument from Plato to Leibniz, Assessing the New Testament Evidence for the Historicity of the Resurrection of Jesus, and his most recent book is being coauthored with an atheist philosopher named Quentin Smith, and that book is called Theism, Atheism, and Big Bang Cosmology.
I knew it was truly a privilege for us to have Dr. Craig with us when I heard earlier this week that Dr. William Lane Craig? A word about the time. Both of these men are very passionate about what they believe. Please, now, as we begin this first twenty-minute segment, really engage your minds.
Keep in mind the rhetoric is not important. The style of delivery is not important. So, please give your attention first to Dr. William Lane Craig. Opening Speech - Dr. So, let me begin by defining some terms. First, by Christianity I mean the view that God exists and has revealed himself decisively in Jesus Christ. Secondly, by atheism I mean the view that God does not exist. On the atheist view, there is no such being or person as God. Now, the question before us tonight is: when you weigh the evidence for atheism against the evidence for Christianity, which way on balance does the evidence point?
The claim that God does not exist is just as much a claim to know something, as is the claim that God does exist. Therefore, if Mr. Atheist philosophers have tried for centuries to disprove the existence of God.
Number 1: The evidence points to a Creator of the universe. Have you ever asked yourself where the universe came from? Why does anything at all exist instead of just nothing? But surely this is unreasonable. Just think about it for a minute. If the universe never had a beginning that means that the number of past events in the history of the universe is infinite, but mathematicians known that an actually infinite number of things leads to self-contradictions.
For example, what is infinity minus infinity? Well, mathematically you get self-contradictory answers. That shows that infinity is just an idea in your mind and not something that exists in reality. David Hilbert, perhaps the greatest mathematicians of this century states, The infinite is nowhere to be found in reality.
It neither exists in nature nor provides a legitimate basis for rational thought. The role that remains for the infinite to play is solely that of an idea. Rather, the universe must have begun to exist.
This conclusion has been confirmed by remarkable discoveries in astronomy and astrophysics. The astrophysical evidence indicates that the universe began to exist in a great explosion called the big bang about 15 billion years ago.
Physical space and time were created in that event, as well as all the matter and energy in the universe. Now, this tends to be very awkward for the atheist. Quentin Smith, an atheist philosopher, writes, The response of atheists and agnostics to this development has been comparatively weak, indeed, almost invisible.
An uncomfortable silence seems to be the rule when the issue arises among nonbelievers. The reason for the apparent embarrassment of nontheists is not hard to find. Out of nothing, nothing comes. So, why does the universe exist instead of just nothing?
Where did it come from? There must have been a cause, which brought the universe into being. From the very nature of the case this cause must be an uncaused, changeless, timeless, and immaterial being which created the universe. That in the beginning God created the universe. Now, I put it to you, which is more plausible: that the Christian is right or that the universe just popped into being uncaused out of nothing?
Number 2: The evidence points to an intelligent Designer of the cosmos. During the last 25 years scientists have discovered that the existence of intelligent life depends upon an incredibly delicate and complex balance of initial conditions simply given in the big bang itself.
We now know that life-prohibiting universes are vastly more probable than our life-permitting universe. How much more probable? Well, before I give you an estimation let me share with you some numbers just to give you a feel for the odds.
The number seconds in the history of the universe is around ! The number of sub-atomic particles in the entire universe is said to be about power! Now, with those numbers in mind, consider the following.
A number which is so inconceivable that to call it astronomical would be a wild understatement. Number 3: The evidence points to God as the source of objective moral values. If God does not exist then objective moral values do not exist. Many theists and atheists alike concur on this point. For example, the late J. Thus we have. He writes, Morality is a biological adaptation no less than are hands and feet and teeth.
Considered as a rationally justifiable set of claims about an objective something, ethics is illusory. Morality is just an aid to survival and reproduction,.
I think that Friedrich Nietzsche was right, but we have got to be very careful here. The question here is not must we believe in God in order to live moral lives? Zindler would agree with me. On the atheist view some actions, say, rape, may not be socially advantageous and so has become taboo but that does absolutely nothing to prove that rape is really wrong. Thus, without God there is no absolute right and wrong which imposes itself on our conscience.
But the fact is that objective moral values do exist and we all know it. There is no more reason to deny the objective existence of moral values than to deny the objective reality of the physical world.
Some things are really wrong. Similarly, love, equality, generosity, and self-sacrifice are really good. But if objective values cannot exist without God and objective values do exist, then it follows logically and inescapably that God exists. The historical person Jesus of Nazareth was a remarkable individual. Although Mr. He claimed that in himself the Kingdom of God had come and as visible demonstrations of this fact he carried out a ministry of miracles and exorcism.
But certainly the supreme vindication of his claim was his resurrection from the dead. I could think of at least sixteen more that he neglected to mention. According to New Testament critic, D. Van Daalen, it is extremely difficult to object to the empty tomb on historical grounds; those who deny it do so on the basis of theological or philosophical assumptions.
Third, the very origin of the Christian faith implies the reality of the resurrection. We all know that Christianity sprang into being in the middle of the first century. Why did arise?
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